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Trial wall updated

Hi Tim the photo/grading is a bit out of date Black Wall, Inch Pinch Hant are all fully bolted with glue ins so no trad grades applicable.There is a rightward variant(original??) on Black Wall and the line of Tribulation 7a is not shown. Blackman's Pinch is I think fully bolted so no trad grade and unsure of the clippity uppness of Skull/Crime and P because the bolts are in and out like a ........

Maybe you could get someone to check it out.

Thanks Roy. I'll update the topo when I get time... probably today as the weather is so awfull!! --Tim Hoddy 14:02, 27 August 2012 (BST)

Ok, I've done a new topo. Can you edit Black Wall and describe the direct finish please? Also, I've left The grade of Blackman's Pinch as E4,6a as that's what the text says. If you know better, change the text and I'll then change the topo. --Tim Hoddy 14:49, 27 August 2012 (BST)

Looks great!, but you got colours on 3 and 8 mixed up. --Alan rosier 21:18, 5 February 2013 (GMT)

Ooops! I'll fix that tomorrow! Well spotted! --Tim Hoddy 00:25, 6 February 2013 (GMT)

Check UKC too Martyn has put up a sport variation finish to one of the routes.--Alan rosier 10:05, 6 February 2013 (GMT)

According to UKC, this is: Retrobution 7b - "Takes a direct line up the slight groove and rib above the third bolt of Crime and Punishment, joining the last bolt and finishing moves of Skull Attack." If Martyn wants to add the text to the wiki and also roughly mark the line of his variation on the topo and send it to me, I'll adjust the topo. --Tim Hoddy 11:59, 6 February 2013 (GMT)

Perhaps Martyn can let us know if there are enough bolts in the routes given trad grades(NOT ADULTERESS)to give them approp sports grades.I seem to remember that Blackmans Pinch was fully bolted. He's the only one whose likely to have done them recently.--Roy thomas 13:50, 6 February 2013 (GMT)Tim I can log in!!--Roy thomas 13:50, 6 February 2013 (GMT).

Just to chip in I had a go at blackmans pinch last summer - I think it warrants a trad grade as the top bolt is only reachable when you have done the crux. I you didn't use some good friends in the crack you would deck out. --Chris Wyatt 23:22, 8 February 2013 (GMT)